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Digital Storage

How long will CDs or DVDs last?
Good brands of Cds and DVDs will last 15 to 20 years.
Cheap Cds will last 2 to 5 years.
       
Sharpie pens and sticky labels may contaminate Cds and DVDs.
Use Solvent-Free pens to mark your Cds and DVDs,
yes we sell them.
What To Do?
Organize your images on your computer.  I have a folder with the
year 2008 and in that folder there are folders for each month. 
In each month's folder there are Event folders.
(see image to the right)
Now your images organized, write them to a CD or DVD.
Also make one extra copy and double check that the images did copy completely.  Write the date you made this copy and store in a safe place.  Experts tell us that we should re-copy these disks every 2 to 5 years until the next storage device comes along that will replace CDs and DVDs.  It WILL happen.

Please make sure to print a hard copy of your favorite photos on real photographic paper from a lab that knows what they are doing.
Oh, that would be us!
           

Nikon:
How does the sensor size of a digital SLR effect image angle of view?

The Afterlife Is Expensive for Digital Movies    
CD Rot - Website explaining the short life of Cds    
Ken Rockwell - thoughts on film vs digital    
           
           
           
Photo Class Handouts
Depth of Field Chart 35mm lenses
Close focus & Max. Depth of Field Charts
   
   
   
   
           
           

12/2007
My personal thoughts on digital verses film:
I will continue using film as long as I can because it works, well at least for 100 years so far. 
Film is easier, in most cases it is cheaper, it lasts longer with little to no effort, and I like 
the look.
We still have negatives from great grandma and they look great but will we have Cds or DVDs with images on them in 100 years? 50 years?  Will we be using Cds in 20 years? What will the next medium be?  When we purchased 8 track audio tapes did we convert the LPs we owned?  No.  
And the same with cassettes and now Cds.  We always purchased "new" music.  But you can not purchase a "new" picture of your children on the latest format.  You must convert them to the latest storage medium.  What will mom do when she opens up the family photo album only to discover that the home- printed images have faded and now the cds have become defected from age (see CDROT above).  You may or may not agree with me on this subject but if we don't print these priceless images with the correct method, we won't have images for our future generations. 

Digital photo equipment has also been an issue with me.  For reasons not clear, our customers come in looking for a digital camera to replace their perfectly good film camera.  I asked them what camera have you been using? "We bought a camera from you a few years back."  " How did you like the pictures"?  " They are great and you did all the processing.?  "How many of those photos did you throw away when you got them back from developing?" None!  "Then why do you want to delete them now?"  Customers are also buying new digital camera every one to three years because theirs either breaks or they just want the latest model with the bigger screen.  The film camera that I sold them would probably have served them for a good 20 years.  In the 1950's our family's used small folding cameras with very good optics and film that was may times larger that 35mm.  They also printed the B&W images on fiber paper.  Now that is archival.  Only time will tell if we will be able to preserve today's images for the future.  I do understand the many benefits for capturing images in a digital format.  Such as product, news, sports and  those awesome images the Hubble Space Telescope has captured.  But for now, capturing images of my family and friends on film is right for me.
Oh yes, and don't forget to make an extra print or two and share them!

Patrick Murray

I welcome any comments
pmurraympv@aol.com

920-733-5885


Responses:
 


 I was thinking about this just last night, as a matter of fact, and some of your posts came to mind.
1)  the world is moving at a much faster pace now.
2)  the world now moves much too fast for film.
3)  People tend to emulate or aspire to those whom they perceive as more technologically advanced.  These days, that includes newspaper photographers, etc.  Immediacy is the issue, whether we need it or not.
4)  Nobody needs to learn anything any more, and nobody takes time to 'learn' a craft, instant gratification is the norm, from sex to photography - hope you don't have daughters.  I do.
Therefore, digital with its instant feedback/reinforcement/gratification/'got it right' is now the standard.
5)  People now have much higher income relative to the cost of goods than they used to.  Back in the '50's, people held onto their cameras because the camera was 'expensive'.
Today, people's income exceeds the amount they need to live by so much that they can afford to spend any reasonable amount on whatever they want, me excluded.
Look at this way.  Right now and for a large part of your life, you have had to pinch pennies, we have too.
When we 'inherit', well, our wives inherit (thank goodness we married well), we will not have to pinch pennies quite so hard, but we will still do it.  
Doctors, lawyers, etc, including most of my friends, are not so strapped as we are, so they can afford new cars, etc., anytime they want, more for less.  I have had 2 cars in the last 25 years.  I don't mind, just keep them running until they rust out. but except for rust, the cars are in pretty good shape, normal wear an tear excluded.  I take care of my shit, so do you.   My son doesn't.  I hate it.  He should, he has no money.
But we are the exception, even among our age groups.  We are poor, by today's standards, but rich by our parent's standards. 
Money means very little, there is always more shit to buy, the digital cameras are a symptom of this degree of luxury.  Why am I a Democrat?
That's your answer.
Roger ( camera store owner )

Steve:
Patrick you have just scared the hell out of me.  I need to do some back-ups now!!!
Angie:
While I do see your point, I like taking lots of images and then picking the best ones and have Murry Photo print them.  I do lots of scrapbooking for my kids.
Charles:
Sure we all have deleted file that we should not have but with digital I can give copies to my friends.
Nancy:
You need to get into the new era.
PJ
You and I must be the only ones who still like film.

           
Murray Photo,
Film will be around for a while. Why? The COST of resolution of "film vs. digital" is a tiny fraction of what it costs to get the equivalent resolution in digital. For example - a 35mm film camera has the equivalent resolution of the $8,000 Nikon D3X and if you look under the "used gear" section of this Murray Photo website can be had for as little as $100 for a QUALITY used camera! If you go up to medium format size images the difference is even more amazing - the used cameras on this site can sell for anywhere from about $400 to $2,400 (actually a NEW Pentax 645N - I want it!) for a camera that will cost you $10,000 - $60,000 just for the camera body without a lens! That said digital has its advantages too - I use both depending on what I'm trying to do. If you are a professional and need to create tens of thousands of images then a digital camera MAY wind up being less expensive to operate per image but if you take the cost difference between a film camera and a high resolution digital camera and are not going to have to create tens of thousands of images film beats digital by a huge margin. If you buy a $100 used 35mm film camera with a lens on it that means if you were going to get a Nikon D3X instead you now have $7,900 for film and processing and that is a LOT of film and processing! And if you haven't noticed the cost of used film gear (especially medium format) is a bargain - you can get entire systems for what just camera bodies used to cost. There is another reason: it is FUN to learn and use a "blast from the past" camera! Film looks different than digital and if you want to you can get your film digitally scanned so you can manipulate the images in programs like "Photo Shop" so you can shoot film "digitally". I've been a semi-pro since the age of 12 (dad owned a newspaper business - that's how that happened) and appreciate what a great film camera is. Some of the more recent medium format cameras can even take BOTH film and digital backs giving you the best of both worlds. Film is great if you know how to use it., its inexpensive, it has its own look, and the cameras are CHEAP!!! Long live film!!!  
P.H. Green Bay, WI
           
           
 

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